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pyaare bhachiyas
H9pE4b
No.153075
what do you think about lucknow?
to me its better than hyderabad and delhi
pTtuvF
No.153077
Filthy dehati shithole run by criminals
H9pE4b
No.153080
>>153077
how is it dehati? it has everything an indian city can offer except tech jobs
RzoFYh
No.153083
>>153075(OP)
it indeed is,
good culture, lesser randipana
only problem is me being not from there, cant go there to live
H9pE4b
No.153098
>>153083
there are ample opportunities to enjoy "randipana" too but you will have to have a good income for the access.
actually it has a fine balance of both liberal and conservative atmosphere
RzoFYh
No.153105
>>153093
Idk man, the few luckhnavis in my college keep yapping on how Lukhnow is trad, how its better culturally and etc, they've sung the praises so much that ive come to believe it now, could be wrong, never been there myself
f7ma1y
No.153112
>>153105
Lucknow is kino. Moshleem and Handoo interfaith marriages of upper circles in Lucknow don't end up in seething also. Less crowdy and free from pollution. Having teenage love in neighbourhoods of this city is precious.
H9pE4b
No.153124
>>153112
rich muslims of lucknow are shias and they are totally different from muslims you see elsewhere.
t880LR
No.153232
>>153098
>there are ample opportunities to enjoy "randipana" too but you will have to have a good income for the access.
Then its bad
43YJqW
No.153274
>>153124
Please elaborate
SvpFS9
No.153279
>>153075(OP)
lol not even close
lucknow is filled up with subhuman biharis and the old inhabitants and their culture are going extinct.
delhi is chill as long as you don't go to the subhuman colonies or muslim regions.
hyderabad is filled up with lower class muslim chhapris and other sorts of subhuman dalits.
Overall delhi is far better than the other two.
Delhi>>Hyderabad>Lucknow
qrZ6A2
No.153280
SvpFS9
No.153281
>>153112
>Moshleem and Handoo interfaith marriages of upper circles in Lucknow don't end up in seething also
none of that shit happens mate. Only some shias marry off their daughters to upper caste hindus.
t. knower
SvpFS9
No.153294
Aleena rais is a famous youtuber from lucknow.
She is shia and her husband is Hindu.
f7ma1y
No.153303
>>153294
Tina Bajpai is also from my city. I don't know why she's still unmarried.
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cBbF+g
No.153307
>>153274
Several Shia-ruled states, like Awadh (Lucknow), Golconda, and Hyderabad, promoted a synthesis of Persian culture and Indian traditions.
This encouraged art, literature, philosophical debate, and coexistence with Hindus, which has shaped the Shia community’s elite, intellectual, and syncretic image — especially in cities like Lucknow.
Because Shias are a minority among Muslims, they often emphasize dialogue, negotiation, and coexistence to maintain safety and social standing.
Or so my ChatGPT tells me
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cBbF+g
No.153309
>>153307
I think it might be onto something...
In India, many Sunni madrasas and movements received funding from Gulf countries, especially during and after the 1980s.
This introduced Salafi and Wahhabi influence, which is more rigid and less tolerant of other sects or non-Muslims.
Shia communities, by contrast, have been more isolated from foreign influence
Twelver Shia Islam has a formal clerical hierarchy (Marja-e-Taqlid), which can moderate extreme ideas.
Sunni Islam, especially in South Asia, is more decentralized — allowing radical preachers to gain followings without institutional checks.
qrZ6A2
No.153311
>>153307
The only good muslims I have interacted with are all shia.
SvpFS9
No.153317
>>153309
tell me something new.
Ask chatgpt about the hand of nizari ismaili behind partition of india
mIwZO9
No.153334
>>153274
shia musleems of lucknow are not native to india, their ancestors were from khorasan region. They are muslims but without the religious jingoism that comes with islam
>>153279
>lucknow is filled up with subhuman biharis
be precise, in which part did you see those subhumans?
gomti nagar, indira nagar, shaheed path, aliganj, hazratganj, mahanagar are all very cozy and nice places to live
>delhi is chill as long as you don't go to the subhuman colonies
same for lucknow too, i don't think you've been to lucknow anon
37ezdz
No.153341
>>153075(OP)
>what do you think about lucknow?
It's a beautiful fucking place and the food is goated as fuck.
mhcBrh
No.153344
/koP6D
No.153346
mhcBrh
No.153349
>>153346
Hyderabadi here. Will move the fuck out if it becomes Bhagyanagar or some other stupid name
GvL9xg
No.153350
>>153075(OP)
How's the pollution there?
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cBbF+g
No.153357
>>153317
>nizari ismaili behind partition of india
It thought for a full minute and did like 3 separate searches.
Short answer
The Nizari-Ismaili community itself was small and never campaigned for a break-up of India.
Their political weight in the events that finally produced Pakistan lay almost entirely in the person of Sir Sultan Mohammad Shah, Aga Khan III (1877-1957) and a handful of well-educated Khoja/Ismaili businessmen around him. Through four crucial interventions he helped set in motion, and later legitimise, the chain of Muslim constitutional demands that ended in Partition:
| Phase (date) | What the Aga Khan did | Why it mattered for the road to 1947 |
| -------------------------------------------------------------------- | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Simla Deputation, Oct 1906** | Led 35 Muslim notables to meet Viceroy Lord Minto; demanded *separate electorates* and weightage for Muslims | The Viceroy accepted the principle; it was written into the Morley-Minto reforms of 1909, introducing the idea that Hindus and Muslims were politically distinct blocs. ([en.wikipedia.org][1]) |
| **Founding president of the All-India Muslim League, Dec 1906-1912** | Provided respectability, a draft constitution and early funding for the League | The League became the recognised all-India spokesman for Muslim political interests. ([en.wikipedia.org][2]) |
| **Round Table Conferences, 1930-32** | Headed the Muslim delegation; insisted on provincial autonomy, weightage, and in many speeches described Muslims as a “*nation within India*” | Those demands stalled agreement on a single federal India and anticipated the *Two-Nation Theory*. ([ismaili.net][3], [en.wikipedia.org][2]) |
| **Moral endorsement of Pakistan, 1940-47** | Though semi-retired, he publicly blessed the Lahore Resolution and, after 14 Aug 1947, issued a message hailing Pakistan as a bulwark for world Islam | His approval reassured many Muslim elites who had hesitated to follow Jinnah. ([amaana.org][4]) |
[1]: [Blocked URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Deputation?utm_source=chatgpt.com] "Simla Deputation"
[2]: [Blocked URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_Khan_III?utm_source=chatgpt.com] "Aga Khan III"
[3]: [Blocked URL: https://www.ismaili.net/histoire/history08/history828.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com] "Round Table Conferences - Ismaili.NET"
[4]: [Blocked URL: https://www.amaana.org/sultweb/message.htm?utm_source=chatgpt.com] "Message to the World of Islam - His Highness the Aga Khan III"
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Other, indirect Nizari-Ismaili links
1. Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s origins – Jinnah was born into a Khoja (Nizari-Ismaili) family, though he adopted Twelver-Shia and later Sunni practice. His family’s commercial circle in Karachi maintained long-standing ties with the Aga Khan.
en.wikipedia.org
2. Khoja/Ismaili capital – Bombay- and Karachi-based Ismaili merchants (e.g., the Habibs, Tyabjis) subscribed to League funds and provided press support, although they never mobilised as a sect.
jstor.org
3. Community strategy – The Imam repeatedly told his followers to stay loyal wherever they lived. Consequently ≈ 40 % of South-Asian Ismailis opted to remain in India, ≈ 60 % migrated to Pakistan or East Africa after 1947.
How much causal influence did this add up to?
- Necessary but not sufficient. The decisive mass support for Pakistan came from the Sunni Muslim League surge after 1937; nothing the Nizari-Ismailis did could by itself have produced Partition.
- Early agenda-setting. The Aga Khan’s use of constitutional channels (separate electorates, communal weightage) created the legal-political vocabulary on which Jinnah later built Pakistan’s claim.
- Elite legitimation. Because the Imam was both an Islamic leader and a familiar figure in London high society, his presence reassured the British that Muslim claims had respectable backing and reassured many Indian Muslim gentry that secession was religiously acceptable.
So, the Nizari-Ismailis’ “influence” on Partition was concentrated, elite, and catalytic: by founding the Muslim League, championing communal electorates, and lending prestige to the two-nation idea, Aga Khan III nudged Muslim politics onto the constitutional track that eventually led to the 1947 division, even though his own community neither demanded nor drove the final break-up of India.
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Basically, they initiated the chain of events that led to the partition.
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cBbF+g
No.153362
>>153357
in his writings and speeches:
“The genius of India is not Hindu only, or Muslim only, or Sikh, Christian or Parsi only — it is the composite genius of all these people who have lived together for centuries.”
But he also argued:
“In all countries with mixed populations, numerical strength must be balanced by effective safeguards for minorities — especially for nations within nations.”
qrZ6A2
No.153363
>>153344
palestine is sunni
SvpFS9
No.153367
>>153357
Thank You anon, I REALLY appreciate this. Now ask Chat GPT that why did RSS awarded Padma Vibhushan to Aga Khan IV depite the Nizari Ismaili hand behind the partition of their beloved Bharat Mata ?
SvpFS9
No.153368
>>153334
>be precise, in which part
i just visited r/lucknow a few months back and the people there were complaining about bihari/hojpuri influx
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cBbF+g
No.153373
>>153367
>Nizari Ismaili hand behind the partition
It says that they did not initiate the partition but started the political chain if events that later led to partition.
Furthermore, they distanced themselves from the movement after 1930s.
Anyways
The Padma Vibhushan awarded to Aga Khan IV in 2018 was conferred not by the RSS (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh), but by the Government of India — specifically under the Ministry of Home Affairs, which administers civilian awards. While the ruling government at the time (2014–2019) was led by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) — which has historical ideological overlap with the RSS — the award is a state recognition, not an RSS honor.
Why was Aga Khan IV awarded the Padma Vibhushan?
The official reason for awarding Shah Karim al-Hussaini, Aga Khan IV the Padma Vibhushan was:
>“Distinguished service of high order in the field of social work,” particularly for his humanitarian work, cultural preservation, and philanthropy through the Aga Khan Development Network (AKDN), which has done significant work in India in:
>Rural development
>Architecture and cultural conservation (e.g., restoration of Humayun’s Tomb)
>Education
>Health care
>Poverty alleviation
It was part of the broader Indian soft diplomacy efforts to recognize global figures contributing to India or having historical/cultural links to the subcontinent.
---
Why did the Indian government (under a Hindu nationalist party) still honor him?
There are pragmatic and diplomatic reasons:
His work has direct positive impact on Indian communities.
He represents a moderate, apolitical, and development-focused Muslim leadership, which India often prefers to recognize on the world stage.
It strengthens India's image as a pluralistic and secular democracy, even under nationalist rule.
---
TL;DR:
RSS did not give the award — the Indian state did.
Aga Khan IV was honored for his humanitarian and cultural work, not his grandfather’s political affiliations.
The Nizari Ismailis were not central to partition; that was driven by Jinnah’s politics, not the Aga Khans.
The award reflects diplomatic recognition and India's soft power interests, not an ideological endorsement.
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I think the nuance here is
>Ismailis initiated the demand for Muslim representation
>Muslim league took that to develop two nation theory
>Ismaili elite funded the Muslim league
>Aga Khan III himself didn't favour the idea of partition
>But his initial support for Muslim minority representation led to Muslim league advocating for the partition.
SvpFS9
No.153377
>>153357
>The Nizari-Ismaili community itself was small and never campaigned for a break-up of India
lol why is chatgpt defending them ? I mean they literally campaigned for creation of pakistan.
>Necessary but not sufficient. The decisive mass support for Pakistan came from the Sunni Muslim League surge after 1937; nothing the Nizari-Ismailis did could by itself have produced Partition.
lmao, chat gpt is compromised.
>Aga Khan III nudged Muslim politics onto the constitutional track that eventually led to the 1947 division, even though his own community neither demanded nor drove the final break-up of India.
lmao what the fuck does chat gpt even mean by this ?
g1NP6E
No.153382
>>153366
Hmm.Hezbollah is Shia though so they can be radical.
RHbXYc
No.153386
SvpFS9
No.153387
>>153373
Nizari Islamilis have a long history of working in secret behind the scenes.
They were the origin assasins of Alamut, their 1st leader Hassan i Sabah conducted assasinations against the sunni leaders as well as christian templar leaders in the middle east.
Thank you anon for your efforts.
I would also like you to ask chat gpt is "What's common between Alawites, Nizaris Ismailis, Ashkenazis and Jains ?"
If you are tired of asking then just tell me so that I don't wait for your answer because its not even that important.
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cBbF+g
No.153389
>>153377
It's a very nuanced take
ChatGPT says it was some of the Ismaili elites but it was never a community led movement.
And Aga Khan himself was very neutral on the matter, perhaps even divided.
After the partition he switched his stance to pluralism.
Anyways
I'm bored of this Muslim nonsense. Have a nice day. I'm out of this thread.
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cBbF+g
No.153391
>>153387
I don't even have to ask it to see that they are all very mercantile groups.
Sorry, I'm bored of this.
SvpFS9
No.153392
>>153389
thank you
43YJqW
No.153504
>>153124
>>153307
>>153309
>>153334
>>153391
I knew all this facts about shias especially the mercantile bit but still asked to see if even others perceived them like that or are there any other nuances...
I was right though
>hyderabad is filled up with lower class muslim chhapris
As a hyderabadi I can confirm
My muslim math teacher also said about this, she said that muslims in the city have resorted to cheap language and habits while neglecting their rich sophisticated poetic language (urdu) and hyderabadi culture
t. Hindu who studied in a muslim majority school (I was the only Hindu in the class) Bhachcels can never imagine that kek
43YJqW
No.153519
>>153075(OP)
Lucknow is kino, my dad says that it feels a lot like Hyderabad, he's been there
According to him it's as if Hyderabad's northern cousin as it has similar history of Muslim rulers and coexistence of religions and the general vibe
But lucknow people haven't abandoned urdu and their refined speech which I like...
Meanwhile Hyderabad got dominated by telugu language and muslims have abandoned refined urdu and got chhaprified, which gave us the Hyderabadi hindi lingo
I like the lingo though, feels like home to me
My math teacher hated it though...
op31PZ
No.153522
>>153075(OP)
If it's in UP, ya just know it's Chori
43YJqW
No.153539
>>153526
Agreed, based
He's a strong leader of the marwadi community at goshamahal in Hyderabad, the only guy along with madhavi lata who actually stood up against the MIM domination in old city
But he got jailed more than fkin akbaruddin (even if he gave that "15 min" speech) because of owaisi's connections
A strong coalition and strict militarized security during elections is needed to actually weed owaisi out, realistically speaking
He got his claws too deep in the city's control
rjX2D+
No.153542
>>153539
he is not marwadi.
Jz+N7M
No.153543
>>153519
You and your dad are retards anon. Urdu as you know it was never Hyderabad's language. Hyderabadi language is actually Dakhani created by fusion of Persian, Marathi, and Telugu and actually predates Urdu. Urdu was derived from Dakhani.
Mosleem ballsuckers
37ezdz
No.153544
43YJqW
No.153550
>>153543
Yeah true forgot to mention that, I love dakhani
That's why I said it feels like home,
I also love urdu
Stop being so fucking agressive all the time
>>153542
Yes he's not but he's mostly supported by them and folks from begum Bazaar. He's got support from all hindus too. But few libbus still vote for other parties and mim got the elections rigged
Also the Muslim majority in old city doesn't help
That's the main issue
rjX2D+
No.153553
43YJqW
No.153558
>>153543
No you retard I know dakhni is different but it doesn't predate urdu, atleast the modern variant
Dakhni is a dialect of urdu
Urdu itself is a mix of Turkish, persian etc
I aint a ballsucker
rjX2D+
No.153565
>>153558
do Paigahs and descendants of muslim royal families still control the major part of overall economic trade of Hyderabad ?
