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Goverment is finally beginning to show focus on good urbanism
3FVbU5
No.1163
Focus is now in tier 2 cities
>“It’s an unprecedented amount of devolution to local governments,” Srikanth Viswanathan, CEO of Janaagraha, a Bengaluru-based nonprofit that advocates for better city management, said to me. He estimates over $20 billion will go to cities with less than 500,000 in population. “This makes it plausible for our smaller cities not to make the same mistakes as Mumbai, Delhi, Bengaluru and urbanize well.”
Y4rBdO
No.1166
Finally a fucking good thread. Thank you OP.
In general, buying land in Tier 1 is very expensive, with not too much gain in productivity. The main earning from these cities comes from foreign money and taxes. In terms of actual productivity, Tier 2 and 3 are much better.
One can also have a better QOL in general.
The only time , Tier 1 is better, is for dating. You have a larger pool of people to meet and interact with.
Y4rBdO
No.1167
>>1163(OP)
Idk who is following Hardeep Singh Puri's work on this. I like him as a thinker, read his books on foreign policy and can strongly recommend them to other anons.
qJet4g
No.1168
>>1163(OP)
Just granting money will not be enough but thank you for sharing.
qJet4g
No.1169
>>1163(OP)
Government needs to do what china did to cull the real estate corruption and prices.
fr4Evj
No.1170
>>1168
Yaar, even when I provide an extract, you just read the title.
>It’s an unprecedented amount of devolution to local governments,” Srikanth Viswanathan, CEO of Janaagraha, a Bengaluru-based nonprofit that advocates for better city management, said to me
This is bigger than just throwing money at it.
qJet4g
No.1171
>>1170
Do we have details on the schemes what to expect after this. Just throwing money to corrupt babus will not result in problems going away. It will just result in corrupt babus getting fatter.
fr4Evj
No.1172
>>1166
The key to that is in tier 2 and 3 city having a chance of building up which tier 1 city (outside maybe Hyderabad and Mumbai) didn't do. That plus better planned public transport.
fr4Evj
No.1173
>>1171
Not reported. You would probably need to look up his group Janaagraha if there is
qJet4g
No.1174
>>1173
Thank you.
5V+IGQ
No.1175
>>1163(OP)
This is a ponzy scheme to fill politician and ias bau pocket with tax money
Building yet another flyover doesn’t fix traffic and no one has a solution for our retarded sewage systems
fr4Evj
No.1176
>>1175
>flyover
Why does no one read the article before commenting?
>In a break from the past, close to half the funds allocated by the Finance Commission are not tied to specific projects and can be spent on locally identified needs. There are also grants for special infrastructure — such as wastewater management — in larger cities (population of 1 million to 4 million) and a one-time urbanization payout to merge villages with an existing municipality, like Dibrugarh intends to do.
5V+IGQ
No.1177
>>1176
Yeah that’s just bullshit way of saying local politicians and babus get a cut
No plan whatsoever and no accountability as well
fr4Evj
No.1178
>>1177
Local politicians will have their names tied to the project and it's execution. It's perfect for an ambitious enough man to get a headstart by building there.
China used a system not so different.
5V+IGQ
No.1179
>>1178
You know China doesn’t have corruption problems like our shithole right?
Try going to a municipal office once and all your optimism will fade away
We need more accountability at the lowest level which we don’t currently have.
fr4Evj
No.1180
>>1179
>You know China doesn’t have corruption problems like our shithole right?
Lol
Lmao even
>Try going to a municipal office once and all your optimism will fade away
I have, multiple times.
>We need more accountability at the lowest level which we don’t currently have.
And how else do you think we are going to bring it without tieing the electoral perfomance of politicians to it?
5V+IGQ
No.1181
>>1180
>I have, multiple times
Where do you live and why do you lie to us about the state of municipalities in Lundia?
Also (by the way I am a nigger) nobody votes for a mayor based on issues of sewage and garbage, they all vote for gibs and (indian)
fr4Evj
No.1182
>>1181
Where I live is irrelevant.
I trust politician to do what they do best - be absolute vultures who will attack their opposition on everything they can find and throw someone under the bus the moment it suits them.
As for people voting, it's already different on municiple level vs even state level.
5V+IGQ
No.1183
>>1182
You are probably underaged
fr4Evj
No.1184
Y4rBdO
No.1185
>>1168
>>1170
>>1171
They threw money initially at Tier 1, that is when they realised that most of the smart budget went into basics.
Cities are massive network of different systems, that all need to function really well to make a city function. Indian tier 1 cities are mostly a collection of villages with some skyscrapes and malls in between.
Cities like Bhangilore, Mumbai, Chennai and Delhi are curropt beyond redemption. So while govt is still throwing some money at them, the gains will be limited.
Tier 2 plans are metro's , automated systems , HSR's ,Special economic zones etc.
Tier 3 will have trams , walkable roads etc.
Both are expected to have more greenzones. Natrually, render vs reality depends on babu's. Hope my post helps
Y4rBdO
No.1186
>>1182
>>1180
> Hurr durr all politicians bad
Great.
how will you fix this ? Make another "leave lundia" thread ?
Idk. There was a time when a road or flyover would take 15 years. Now it is done in a year or three, depending where you live.
also, QOL differs wildly across different states and cities depending on what you want.
s6z9qu
No.1187
>>1186
people with opinions like "world is just a cold miserable place boo hoo" should rope already.
fr4Evj
No.1188
>>1185
The fundamental problem is that building 1 tier 1 city and nothing but villeges around it causes the tier 1 city to be flooded with more people than it can properly have the infrastructure to support.
In that regard, it's good for Delhi, Bangalore and the likes if more magents come up in their vicinity.
I don't know about Bangalore, but western UP, where RRTS connection with Delhi are being build should be a prime focus.
5V+IGQ
No.1189
>>1188
What about the existing city infrastructure bhangis?
The people are not the problem, the retarded design of sewage flowing in storm water drains is.
No Indian city has a sane drainage system and no is spending money on it.
All this money is going on repairing roads which will crack in 6 months so they can repair it again.
fr4Evj
No.1190
>>1189
>How does less people coming here, squating and creating slum towns in big cities help in broader infrastructure?
Why are you people so incapable of seeing things from a bigger picture?
5V+IGQ
No.1191
>>1190
>Its the poor bhangis fault
How gullible are you? Why don’t you ask your local goon (neta) to get rid of all the illegals? Would that fix shit going directly into the local river?
fr4Evj
No.1192
>>1191
It's not their fault in the sense the state failed to create enough jobs elsewhere that they have to live like this here, but it's absolutely their fault if they end up squating in important land needed for development, which they always do.
In any case, you're clearly just trying to bait for (you)s, so whatever.
5V+IGQ
No.1193
>>1192
So you accept that the cuck Indian gobermint can’t claim its own land back from poorfags?
And throwing money at it will somehow give us liveable cities?
Wow, I love paying taxes in 2026.
fr4Evj
No.1194
>>1193
All you lolbertarians are so braindead
tvTk09
No.1200
>>1193
>>1192
>>1191
>>1190
>>1189
The primary function of political parties is to keep power. Not to nation build. Nation building is a positive side effect that we sometimes experience.
Parties stay in power, by pandering to the masses.
Now , using Delhi as an example, any party that takes action on Delhites stealing power and water, will lose power. So no one will.
Due to this legalized loot, no serious company wants to work with Delhi government on power or water projects.This is not to mention the payment issues.
These complaints can be extended to all tier 1 cities in these domains and more.
Now tell me. How will you save cities from their inhabitants ?
> Gormint does nothing
No. Unlike popular belief. Governments do what people want.
The biggest positive of NRI ghar wapsi, will be demands for better living standards.
v5TLjH
No.1201
>>1185
Not a bad idea. Hope they work on it. One of the reasons why Tier 1 cities are beyond repair is due to them getting overburdened. To reduce pressure from them developing tier 2 and tier 3 cities would be a good anti-doate.
tvTk09
No.1202
>>1201
* Kicking out rapefugee's
* Make residence registration (aadhar) stricter
* Link these to tax benefits
* More public transport to reduce stress on roads
* More communist style residential blocks with 5 minute city style planning.
tvTk09
No.1203
>>1201
Better Tier 3 will kill illegal squatters in Tier 1. These people want dignity too. Giving it to them, will relieve Tier 1's.
Progress is very cheap and easy in Tier 2 and 3. Tier 1's cost a lot with no real benefit.
rbYoqR
No.1210
>>1200
> Governments do what people want.
Ah yes, people want ugc regulations and more adani defence contracts.
This chan is filled with midwits who think people actually matter in a shithole like lundia
tvTk09
No.1214
>>1210
This is what I mean by reactivity, that makes discussion pointless.
Read original draft, then see who added what. It is far from being final.
People just read a news report, get offended without understanding head or tail.
Make no mistake, the clause added is offensive.
< Adani defence contracts
People do want that. I have visited their ports before. World class work. Full saaport saar.
> All politicians are vultures
This is such a meaningless untrue statement actually. Even the bad ones try to do something for their core voters.
Weather this is good for the nation or not is a different thing.
Mamata has done more for Bangladeshi refugees. 370 and Ram Mandir are massive wins for common Hindu's.
For development too there is a lot.
< Municipal level reform
As already informed in this thread,
there is work underway already. We will see.
There is lot criticism of goverment. But when you do it re-actively and sometimes dishonestly (as so many in opposition do), it only makes them stronger.
fr4Evj
No.1215
>>1214
Vultures in the sense they can see when the opposition has a weakness to exploit.
When you can tie the local level municipal elections figure directly to the state of your streets sanitation and other issues, you can expect them to use it to attack them.
tvTk09
No.1216
>>1215
> Vultures in the sense they can see when the opposition has a weakness to exploit.
That is the job of any party and they should do it too. It keeps them accountable.
It becomes an issue when you attack without keeping the nation as context. Congress hating anything good Modi does is an example of this, which is why they will keep losing.
< When you can tie the local level municipal elections figure directly to the state of your streets sanitation and other issues, you can expect them to use it to attack them.
AAP got voted to power for freebies. Delhi got so bad that people were missing Sheila Dixit.
Jury is out on Rekha Gupta. Time will tell. But for most people, clean streets are a non issue. I used to hate this before, now I get it.
* most people are too tired and busy to care.
* Without freedom of religion (i.e. communal identity) , clean streets go down the priority list
* most people don't have disposable income to enjoy city streets. Outing is just food, because a lot of people strive for just that.
So nice Urban development is a good thought. But it will become a priority, once the basic income and purchasing power is higher.
Indian elites don't want this. Their business model including TCS, Infosys etc is running sweat shops of service sector. Others rely on poverty for cheap labour, servants etc.
Getting European kind of development, comes with more rights and pay for the bottom layer, which means rich families do not get access to many servants for throwaway prices.
