http://vanarrobots.com/

>>40(OP)

>>41

>>53

in some sections yes that would make sense - i mean optimizing an arm to perform certain tasks but it seems for general purpose humanoid robots are pretty good designs - human bodies are pretty tried and tested in the current environments.

>>58

kek

>>70

>>65

people don't really understand how difficult it is to get good maids, services etc. for house upkeep.

i am certain if these are within budget people in buildings would willingly replace those maids etc. Though there's way more time.

I was recently on a project, we needed to hire some low level workers for initiation of work - it's basically manual tasks - it's so difficult to get those who are willing to work and for adhoc time with consistency.

There was a labour scarcity too recently btw. Our manpower is very delicate and limiting.

For industry i think specialized robots are better and more efficient than these. We are reaching to the point that companies would rather have a slightly expensive robot with verticle integration operating at 24x7 compared to paying 15k to the worker and enduring the drama of muh 'inhumanity' for the worker.

Hence the belief that automation + ubi is more plausible than anything else. And you should try to avoid being on ubi as much as you can.

There's also a thing that we may reach to the point that most people will have it good, decent foodslops, entertainment slops to the point most of the public would not prefer doing anything but live like this along with gooning. Most of them will perish.

So our lowest group would have it good but it would be very difficult to migrate to the riches or even prosperous section so social mobility would be dead more or less.

a consumer section which is well fed and a group of elites that's all.

Only those who are really interested in beyond these materialistic desires and with agency may go beyond. But would need luck, resources. Whatever.

>>79

>middle class seems to be a made up thing, like an iteration of working class but with savings. Here we ignore the usage of middle class so as not to overcomplicate thangs.

The thing there's a reason why i removed middle class entirely.

I am kinda trying to imagine a future no matter how much we would try result in a totalitarian control of technology and products amongst few.

So there's elites (gods) then there's rest. In b/w are are automated things - slop producing industries etc. etc.

I then try to imagine a scenario of kinda post-scarcity, so even if you are not part of the elite we managed to streamline the management of resources and production in a way that even the normal gareeb has a life which is good but that's it. If you are an NPC etc. your life would be good you can eat feed - even seggs or goon in ways unimaginable. But anyone else who is beyond these would suffer and would be miserable.

In this scenario middle man or anything else would probably be not required.

>let's say the elites form sum sort of enclaves and leave the rest of the region for the gwareebs. even if ubi isn't given, won't the gwareebs be able to manufacture sheit they need and trade with other gwareebs and hell maybe even use the elite tech here and there? Isn't that just MSME sweatshops that third world nations have in place? They just use sum first world tech to make products for cheap coupled with child labour and trade with each other. sometaimes it becomes so effecient that they can produce it cheaper than huge assembly lines in the west and get to trade with trade first world until a new tech comes in that automates more of the manufacturing process making thangs far more cheaper to produce and the third world dhandos redundant until that same tech becomes cheaper (when the chinks get to copy paste those new machines) and naw the third world dhandos get to manufacture at a cheaper rate because of gwareeb labours . so a thang like this will also be in place for a while.

Yes this is happening and as you concluded here that after a point labour can't be exploited further and sooner or later they would realize the usefulness of the automation and would switch - now in that case slowly in few decades economy would change. We will for sure reach a point where to prevent unrest etc. UBI would be enforced cuz even now job for everyone is impossible.

Difference is that we still have vhoice, chance for social mobility later we just hope that our elites whoever they are merciful. if you don't want to leave yourself at that chance you go to ensure you have some degree of wealth and hope it works out.

Rest i agree what you summarized now the reasoning for UBI is that once elites have reached to the point where automation is handling most of their work, ubi is being shilled -> now what's the most practical logical step? prevent further dolling around ubi -> how do you achieve that? You achieve that with various means but one of them being overfeeding gawreebs on slops - creating a scenario where birth is not worth it. You want that without any say protests from gareeb so you kill them with niceness. To the point you have enough to create your utopia.

of course that's one theory. there are lots of other parameters.