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Muh rising inequality
SisHPV
No.329104
Librandus and leftards constantly hinder india's growth by complaining about muh growing inequality, muh widening gap between the rich and the poor despite the fact that india has one of the lowest Gini coefficients in the world and that some degree of inequality is actually good and natural consequence of growth. If the poor make 10 grand and rich make 100 now and later they grow from that to making 40 and 400 respectively, it is far better for the poor despite the increased inequality. By equality socialistards mean keeping everyone poor.
0b0pOF
No.329106
vZbfeK
No.329108
>>329104(OP)
Inequality growing in a poor country can be a indication of good thing. Look up Kuznets curve
vZbfeK
No.329121
>>329106
It doesn't. But librandus dream of Nordic welfare state even before India transitions from agriculture to manufacturing (something they indirectly oppose)
mCmV6W
No.329130
>>329104(OP)
Yeah jewSA has a higher gini afaik
2NwwGZ
No.329138
>>329121
Lundia shouldn't go toward a welfare state model, see : https://youareaghost.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-revolution-of-giving-hand.html
India should aim to achieve a japan-south korea state like development as thats more attuned to indian sensibilities.
SisHPV
No.329141
>>329106
Thats what rahul baba intends to contest and win elections on. By showing soycialism wala lollipop to dehatis. It is how they rally them against free market reforms, farm laws, agniveer etc.
vZbfeK
No.329149
>>329138
Dunno about Korea, but Japan has a very generous welfare state, too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_social_welfare_spending
The end game of every state should be to have the UBI to ensure everyone's most basic needs and the abiltiy to start at the same position as everyone else is met. The thing is, those things is the end state of development, not now in india when we should be focused on building the wealth first.
2NwwGZ
No.329169
>>329149
22. is decent ish. I know that japan is the healthiest nation despite not spending much(comparitively) on public healthcare. JP requires too much planning though, take SK as a decent enough model.
>UBI
negative income tax is the future anon
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89w755
No.329183
gzw1SN
No.329284
>>329104(OP)
Are you trying to have rational arguments with them? We arent meant to debate them anon
7NIYoj
No.329294
>>329108
This. It only makes says if bhimtal subhumans are as bad as they were a decade ago, while other communities kept picking themself up.
JienxI
No.329296
>>329284
zased
3ed0q9
No.329658
AP2Ir4
No.329662
>>329658
It's the primary indicator of wealth inequality. Its a chutiya stat indeed though. Most African countries have low wealth inequality, doesn't mean anyone wants to live there.
wFbSS1
No.329665
>>329662
Op is a retard, he is conflating wealth inequality and income inequality, wealth inequality is only worsening in india. Income inequality is very easy to work around, moreover it doesn't mean much.
AP2Ir4
No.329666
>>329130
The only reason Europe has a low gini coefficient is because they're not really that economically productive and relies America for most things that actually cost money. Only semi independent European state is France and its the unsurprisingly the shittiest west Euro country to live.
vZbfeK
No.329668
vZbfeK
No.329669
AP2Ir4
No.329671
>>329665
Do you know that Nordic countries have high wealth inequality? If you divide the wealth among citizens equally, average citizen will get 4x , even 6x times their actual wealth.
That's even less than India's.
3ed0q9
No.329672
>>329662
Its chutiya because it is. Idk which chutiya even came up with it. Only obvious inequality index is income stats. It may work in a country where atleast basic amenities are met. Not in pajeetland where 90% people live in african poverty. Its basically says that 90% people earn a dollar and 10% earn 10+ dollar is better than 70% earning 1 dollar, 20% 3 dollar, and 10% 20+
AP2Ir4
No.329675
>>329672
There was a thread few weeks ago when one anon said he earned 50k per month at 30 and everyone called him poor.
50k puts you at top 10% of the country kek. And 1 lakh top 3% iirc.
3ed0q9
No.329676
>>329668
Not inheritance. A simple extra tax on x number of properties could deal with it. But thats too hard as well because pajeet janta votes the same people with thousands property in their name.
vZbfeK
No.329677
>>329671
Dunno about Nordic specifically, but housing markets have basically created an artificial bubble of assets in the west, where boomers who just own their property they brought for cheap half a century ago is now a multi millionaire while they stop zoomers from owning any homes of their own.
This entire wealth inequalities is really a matter of property inequalities where boomers and gen x fucked over young gen
wFbSS1
No.329678
>>329671
Chutiya stat. Nordic countries can get away with that because almost everyone has basic needs covered and. In India, wealth inequality is only getting worse, while income inequality is much easier to manage.
3ed0q9
No.329681
>>329675
50k out of village is definitely poor. Fuck house, one can't even buy a small plot with 10 years of savings and even with loans. Rennt and ration will eat half of that. And 100 festivals will eat rest.
AP2Ir4
No.329683
>>329678
I've done the calculations. Average Indian having 4x wealth makes them almost as rich as the average bhachcel.
AP2Ir4
No.329684
>>329681
He was in a tier 2 or 3 town
vZbfeK
No.329688
>>329676
Very easy to hide ownerships of property. Suppose you say tax on estate above value of X. The next day, you'll see a lot of property owners with estate value of X-1.
wFbSS1
No.329696
>>329683
we should focus on consumption inequality
AP2Ir4
No.329700
>>329677
Housing is actually cheap in the West. If you live in the middle of bum fucking nowhere.
Problem is most jobs young men want are concentrated in cities. Most women want to live in cities because no one will mind her nrandi life there.
That's what is driving housing crisis. We could've solved it during covid by making service jobs work from home. But jews weren't getting rent from their holdings so they forced everyone to go back to offices again.
wFbSS1
No.329707
>>329668
Increasing wealth through inheritance doesn’t change productivity or overall economic contribution. You missed the point if you think, The point isn’t just about looking rich, it’s about creating value,
vZbfeK
No.329708
>>329700
>We could've solved it during covid by making service jobs work from home.
The biggest reason this hasn't happened is because companies right now do want people to quit. Amazon went to great lengths over this, the result of it was 30,000 layoffs.
If people quit on their own, it means they don't have to pay severance.
3ed0q9
No.329713
>>329684
Its struggling for 3. Brutal for tier 2. He is not getting married unless he has some plots already
vZbfeK
No.329718
>>329701
Because I belive in equal opportunity and meritocracy. A society where the richest earn their wealth over inheritance rather than personal effort is a stagnant society.
>>329707
The point of inheritance tax isn't to punish the rich, it's to even th odds to give the next generation an equal chance.
AP2Ir4
No.329719
>>329713
Imagine saying your top 10% are struggling to even get married. Lundia's future seems brootal.
vZbfeK
No.329721
>>329713
Yaar these out of touch zoomers have no idea how poor average indian is
vZbfeK
No.329723
>>329719
>Struggling to even get married
If you need money to find a women to marry, it was over for you to begin with.
3ed0q9
No.329724
>>329688
They would have to sell it at rate. Will probably ask more in cash from buyers. Make the IT department stronger. Lundians should fear ITD like mericans fear IRS. And thanx to mudijis digitalisation its actually easier for ITD to do their work compared to US.
AP2Ir4
No.329725
>>329718
>equal opportunity and meritocracy
Which are mostly genetic. We've seen this in communist countries, the same families who had their wealth taken away eventually grew to be richest in those countries after few generations.
France puts the highest income tax and its not improving it's inequality in any way, often times the same family who went bankrupt become rich again two or three generations afterwards.
All you're doing of delaying the inevitable.
vZbfeK
No.329727
>>329724
Saar the people who hide their wealth are the most of the babus behind all of this.
AP2Ir4
No.329728
>>329723
Money is the biggest factor that starts or ends most relationships, even so called 'love marriages'.
3ed0q9
No.329730
>>329701
I don't give a fuck about their inheritance. Its the fault of lundian wagelaws. I would rather all working class gather unions and negotiate a better wage. They simply get too much of the pie after a stage that it doesn't make sense.
3ed0q9
No.329731
>>329727
I know
vZbfeK
No.329732
>>329725
So what's the problem then? If they are so genetically supeiror, they can generate wealth again by making new innovations that they wouldn't have strived for when they were in the comfort. In the meantime, the tax can help the less football also stand a chance.
AP2Ir4
No.329733
>>329732
If you punish them for being productive , eventually your elite productive class leaves and all you're left with are chamars.
And you might think that's a good thing. Good luck with creating same levels of productivity with them kek.
3ed0q9
No.329734
>>329721
>>329719
Because the zoomers who know how poor it as are working 10-11hrs a day to survive. They are fooled into thinking that people who make 100x of them do some suprifical phd level work. When in reality its just a meme. Thats the problem of pajeet system of everything that breaks one soul. But lets just hope that zoomers do the needful of this pajeet economy
wFbSS1
No.329736
>>329730
This.
3ed0q9
No.329737
>>329733
And leave where? Wheres the tax is even higher and they would have to pay their subworkers 10x what they do here? Not being able to enjoy the lofe they get here from africa tier exploitative workforce? Lmao if you think those people are living here for some nationalism patriotism meme.
wFbSS1
No.329739
>>329718
fair nuff but it shouldn't be just for the sake of it, ideally redistribute excess from top 1% to bottom 10% and let the natural flow of class to class continue.
vZbfeK
No.329740
>>329733
No they're not. They can domicile elsewhere, but the connections you build, the assets you own, they're still here.
Why do the Indian migrants consists of new rich and aspirational people and not the Ambani or Adani?
AP2Ir4
No.329742
>>329737
>And leave where
To countries that want them
>Wheres the tax is even higher and they would have to pay their subworkers 10x what they do here?
I don't think Vietnam have as much tax and they need to pay 10x lol.
>Not being able to enjoy the lofe they get here from africa tier exploitative workforce?
You can see for yourself the sector that India had most growth - IT. Unlike it's blue collar market, tech industry in India is very exploitative and very predatory. There's no unions, work hours are looking and pays very low compared to global average, even shifted by ppp.
Yet it's one booming sector that timmies seethe so much about losing their jobs to us.
Muh work life balance is what got wignats for replaced by pajeets in tech kek.
>Lmao if you think those people are living here for some nationalism patriotism meme.
I didn't.
AP2Ir4
No.329743
>>329740
Those kinds of people don't leave when they're rich.
AP2Ir4
No.329744
>>329740
Also it's not so simple, just like how outsourcing didn't happen so no suddenly where companies took everything and just established their bases in lundia.
vZbfeK
No.329745
>>329739
I'm arguing for this from a purely a view of what's good for long term economy of the country.
A very simple economic concept everyone will be taught in class is that higher velocity of money is generally a metric of an healthy expanding economy.
vZbfeK
No.329746
>>329743
>>329744
The asset owning ultra rich, the ones who the inheritance tax will hit the most, have too much in stake in the country to leave.
For the rest, the salaried employee, usually the first in the family to make it big themselves, their feelings of having a stake in the country is build of culture and politics.
As a general principle, culture will determine how much a place means to rich to abandon it for example Japan has one of the highest inheritance tax and it still has little people moving out.
wFbSS1
No.329747
>>329745
That's why I advocated for more equal consumption, your solution for wealthy inequality is very surface level.
vZbfeK
No.329750
>>329747
I missed you post. What were arguing for?
AP2Ir4
No.329751
>>329746
>asset owning ultra rich, the ones who the inheritance tax will hit the most, have too much in stake in the country to leave
That's not how it works.
Wealth transfer is a slow and steady process, just like how cheaper labour didn't suddenly resulted in companies shifting places completely.
But it'll eventually happen, like how many billionaires are now changing their residencies in Dubai.
>Japan has one of the highest inheritance tax and it still has little people moving out.
It's hard for a japani billionaire oji san to move out. This isn't the case for an anglophonicn country like India. Many of India's rich don't even live in India.
vZbfeK
No.329757
>>329751
>Dubai
Before Dubai, it was Hong Kong. In both the cases, their economic system is not sustainable. No economic system that doesn't have a majority of people in middle class is sustaining.
As for wealth tranfer, as long as it's economically more benifiting to do things here, it wouldn't change anything. In fact, if you lose some millionaire for wealth that is used to build infra to support manufacturing, you will gain more in the long run.
>Many of India's rich don't even live in India.
India has the 3rd highest number of billionaire, with Mumbai and Delhi in the top 10 cuties. They can very easily get citizenship in some tax haven island if they wanted to pay even less than now.
3ed0q9
No.329759
>>329742
>To countries that want them
Countries don’t “want” rent-seekers who only thrive where labor is dirt cheap and taxes are toothless. Productive economies attract innovation, not parasites avoiding contribution. If someone’s entire business model collapses because they have to pay fair wages and taxes.
Yeah, that’s not how the real world works. Relocating isn’t like packing a suitcase. These so called “productive elites” are tied into local markets, supply chains, and labor pools that keep their costs artificially low. The moment they step into a developed economy, all that leverage disappears they face higher compliance, stronger unions, real environmental laws, and workers who won’t tolerate being milked.
their profits rely on cheap infrastructure, government hand-holding, and a workforce with no bargaining power. Once you strip that away, there’s no “elite productive class” left just people who crumble without exploitation propping them up.
>Vietnam
Theres a lot to say here but above explains pretty good
>IT
>timmies seethe
>Muh work life balance is what got wignats for replaced by pajeets in tech kek
When have you seen a timmie seething about IT resourcing to india? Only the lowest of repetitive works get outsourced to india due to ompanies inablity to look through jobs because IT was new and they didn't how to handle it. Didn't have any info of it. They oursourced it because westerns were asking too much for a job highschooler with 4-6 month training could do. All the high valued complex IT jobs stayed there and people there are still making 20x of indians. Nobody is crying about IT resource. Only farmers and low tier firms cry about blue collar labour they get from mexicans
>I didn't.
Then what do you think they stay here for?
AP2Ir4
No.329761
>>329757
>India has the 3rd highest number of billionaire
Most of their residencies aren't in India. Forb instance Hinduja group head live in UK. You bring up Adani and Ambani but that's the creamy top which isn't the case of theirs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/general/head-of-uk-s-richest-family-dies-aged-85/ar-AA1PNDN8
He's 11th in this list here
vZbfeK
No.329764
>>329761
I know of Hinduja and also Mittal. The later is only domiciled in UK, while the former moved there in 1979, back when economic prospects were very different and his example is still largely an exception.
Even then, the indian billionaire outside of India, aren't the ones who make their fortune here.
AP2Ir4
No.329765
>>329759
>Countries don’t “want” rent-seekers who only thrive where labor is dirt cheap and taxes are toothless
They want them when their economies don't allow for innovation, that is, they're dirt poor.
>Productive economies attract innovation, not parasites avoiding contribution
Like America then?
>Relocating isn’t like packing a suitcase.
I never said that, why do you want and the other person think it's that simple lol.
>These so called “productive elites” are tied into local markets, supply chains, and labor pools that keep their costs artificially low. The moment they step into a developed economy, all that leverage disappears they face higher compliance, stronger unions, real environmental laws, and workers who won’t tolerate being milked.
>their profits rely on cheap infrastructure, government hand-holding, and a workforce with no bargaining power. Once you strip that away, there’s no “elite productive class” left just people who crumble without exploitation propping them up.
Thanks for confirming my point lol
>When have you seen a timmie seething about IT resourcing to india?
All the time?
>Almost 80% of people lost their job to cheap jeets but 20% of people earn more than us so it's a win for them
I don't think that's particularly comfort for those who lost the job buddy.
>Then what do you think they stay here for?
What do you think?
3ed0q9
No.329767
>>329751
Residency? Wdym by residencies? How does it even matter? Billionaires moving residency isn’t the same as moving operations. They can change where they sleep, but their wealth still depends on the systems, labor, and markets back home. You can’t run factories, logistics networks, or service sectors out of Dubai condos. Those “wealth transfers” you’re talking about are tax-dodging maneuvers, not genuine economic migration. The moment they try to actually relocate production or infrastructure, they hit walls of cost, regulation, and logistics. Even cheap labor shifts like to China or Vietnam, took decades, massive investment, and came with trade offs that most of these so called elites aren’t capable of handling.
Most of indias economy is produce based and service based. The produce would always stay in india and service will ask for much more than indians, implying there is even as close as 10% of service available there in the first place
AP2Ir4
No.329768
>>329767
>Those “wealth transfers” you’re talking about are tax-dodging maneuvers, not genuine economic migration
Lol exactly, thanks for confirming my point.
>You can’t run factories, logistics networks, or service sectors out of Dubai condos
Are you aware of the concept of 'division of labour'?
Especially in this era of globalisation, its not necessary you live in one single area to communicate and coordinate over a task.
Like how tech companies allocate their high priority projects in America while offshore repeative brainless tasks to jeetland.
>Even cheap labor shifts like to China or Vietnam, took decades
Why do you keep repeating something I never said? I never said they'll pack up and leave one day, I said eventually.
>The produce would always stay in india
Lol
https://ricenewstoday.com/indias-rice-export-policy-sends-shockwaves-through-global-market/
3ed0q9
No.329772
>>329765
>They want them when their economies don't allow for innovation, that is, they're dirt poor.
What innovation will indians produce and servjce based jeets will give to foreigners? Their world class engineering? Their semiconductor engineering? Their science? IT prowess? AI skills? Chemical science? Bio engineering? Lmao. India doesn't yet have had an innovation to begin with that they'll sell outside. It runs on produce and service.
>Like America then?
What a kek. Those who cannot pay a dollar here will go to america to pay 50 an hour? Those who could migrate to america are still here? Kek
>I never said that, why do you want and the other person think it's that simple lol.
Thats what you said. Don't shy away now. You reverted to muh decades later with funny example of dubai speaking on residency of billionaire's
>Thanks for confirming my point lol
Yaar anon read again. Try to feed it to chatgpt to get better understanding of what that meant. Hint : they cannot relocate. Theres no chance.
>All the time?
Have never seen
>>Almost 80% of people lost their job to cheap jeets but 20% of people earn more than us so it's a win for them
>I don't think that's particularly comfort for those who lost the job buddy.
Who lost the job lmao? Whats the basis of those numbers. Even exaggerated how many lost jobs to indians? What're you even talking about? Americans make more flipping burgers and working as electricians than indians do after 5 years of grinding. Yes, purchasing power adjusted.
>What do you think?
Because they cannot. Their business is tied to country. Their business ecosystem is tied to country and people.
AP2Ir4
No.329777
>>329772
>What innovation will indians produce and servjce based jeets will give to foreigners?
I've never said anything about Indians.
Anyways would China have created world class industries that now competes with likes of Tesla and Apple if the flow of industrial production of cheap labour in to those countries never happened?
>Those who cannot pay a dollar here will go to america to pay 50 an hour? Those who could migrate to america are still here?
Once again refer here >>329768
Especially the second point on division of labour.
Also go refer to PPP.
The ones immigrating to are not billionaires instead most of the brain drain towards America is knowledge based because your average high IQ jeet sees no point in working in this chamar republic ruled by vote banks.
Again another trend that will eventually happen when you punish your most productive and performing individuals.
>Thats what you said. Don't shy away now.
Never ever said that. I said they'll eventually leave and you went on a hyperbole talking about how they've relations and assets here lol. It's not my mistake you're too low IQ and didn't understand what I mean by they'll eventually leave and thought it means they'll pack up and leave, like how soviet and Chinese refugees did when my point is that wealth transfer is bound to happen.
>they cannot relocate
But they can? First it'll be the cheap production units, then the lower management and eventually maybe even the upper management to some tax havens spread across the worlds. This isn't 1900s kek.
>Have never seen
Then you must not be in tech sector
>Americans make more flipping burgers and working as electricians than indians do after 5 years of grinding
Sure, but you don't need a college degree for those. I don't think the average CS graduate is happy they make more money than average Indian CS jeet when they go for flipping burgers instead of doing the job.
Same for other offshored jobs as well.
>Their business is tied to country
Once again this isn't 1900s anymore. Nor an isolated shithole like most Commie countries.
AP2Ir4
No.329779
>>329772
You've confirmed all my points, on how they transfer industrial units to cut on labour and move their wealth to tax havens to cut in tax revenue and you are now telling me that they'll not happen?
Btw the richest country in the world is literally a tax haven lmao for the rich to stove away their wealth.
AP2Ir4
No.329780
>>329772
>Inb4 keep repeated tired point about reliance on local market
Meh they'll eventually if they see if it's disadvantageous. There's a reason why the libtards currently seethe about income inequality, because it's fucking not. We're talking about a hypothetical scenario where we imagine they are taxed heavily.
They're not the only productive elite I'm talking about, see second point here >>329777
USuj6B
No.329785
>>329284
Funny since he was once a commie
AP2Ir4
No.329787
>>329785
He was socialist but not a communist. And his and Hitler's economic ideology was mostly closer to democratic socialism (Muh welfare state + muh free market) even after they turned right wing.
SisHPV
No.329796
>>329718
>equal opportunity and meritocracy.
Muh equal oppourtunity. Stop with this wealth redistribution shit already. Build wealth on your own and pass it on to your son if you have it in you instead of stealing from others. Blame your father and ancestors for not amassing wealth instead of eyeing others' inheritance. Wait! If they didnt have the skill you most likely wont be able to do jack shit either. Generational wealth if not maintained or expanded is lost anyway so dont be concerned about whether the inheritor is worthy or not.
SisHPV
No.329799
>>329732
Because you are incentivizing chamargiri and disincentivizing entrepreneurship, competition and wealth creation. Keep redistributing wealth to lazy low iq bhangis to breed and drink till you run out of wealth to redistribute and have no means of wealth creation anymore.
