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i notice many non-brahmins are jealous of jats

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105710

post similar caste mechanics from your region

Anonymous

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dkSmX0

No.105711

>>105710(OP)

>jats

>jealous

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105712

>>105711

yup, best wrestlers in the W.O.R.L.D

Anonymous

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9YO1gm

No.105722

>>105710(OP)

In Sindhi we refer muslims as jatt

A common Sindhi saying, "jatt kadi bhi vendo phatt"

Translation - jatt kabhi bhi jayega phatt

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105728

>>105710(OP)

Jaats are also descended from indo aryan tribes

Gujjars have some special love hate relationship against jaats

Rajputs in Rajasthan have some political rivalry with jaats

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105730

>>105722

are you the sindhi khatri who had his upanayan sanaskaar ritual few months ago

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105735

>>105712

Intrestingly other aryan communities from Iran are also very good in wrestling

Something in the blood? 👀

Anonymous

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9YO1gm

No.105736

>>105730

Yes, my close relative passed away so janayu Sanskar got postponed

Anonymous

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IG5lr3

No.105737

>>105710(OP)

I have noticed tht jaats dislike brahmans why is tht? but brahmans don't usually.

Anonymous

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M8iRFp

No.105741

>>105710(OP)

muthal don ke tatte yaha bhi aa gye

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105742

>>105728

gujjar here

we don't dislike anyone

Anonymous

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9YO1gm

No.105744

>>105735

Wrestling was famous among Persians as well as people living east of river sindh that's why they are good at it. It's like asking why are Marathis good at Malkhamb because generally they are the only ones who practice it. Many indian wrestlers majority of them being jaat get defeated by Persians, cubans and American ls at world stage

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105745

>>105737

no, jaats and brahmans have good relations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBhIsaYXflY?si=h32QJdCEGi4wrwul[embed]

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105746

>>105735

steppe aryan dna

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105748

>>105742

of course the average person from any community doesn't have any anoymisity towards anyone, but I was talking about mainly political scenario

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105753

>>105744

I see

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105754

>>105746

Yeahh

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105755

>>105737

jats have good relations with brahmins ever since this country partitioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69-yupf0pAY?si=UmK9GLvigSEUzSxP&t=74[embed]

listen @ 1:15, the singer is jatt

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105757

>>105755

brahmins have good realtion with pretty much all dominant communities of every region

Anonymous

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0a7/2D

No.105759

It was a nice break for a while, but now we are back to the usual caste and regional kanging as always

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105770

>>105748

khatris are cool

most of my friends are khatris

Anonymous

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DzgWfb

No.105773

>>105710(OP)

Bihari number 1

https://youtube.com/shorts/9Qkx-ZgX4xk?si=2KyTwLXskw-NEjVG

Jai bihari jai bihar 😈

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105774

>>105736

>>105770

what I don't get is why sometimes khatris from Sidh look very ugly ? Is it due to arora blood ?

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105776

>>105770

are you a hindu gujjar or muslim gujjar? since most hindu gujjars are in NCR and khatris are also heavily concentrated in Delhi

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105777

>>105774

arora and khatri are different

Anonymous

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IG5lr3

No.105781

>>105755

Meaning? Bamano ka chora?

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105783

>>105776

hindu gujjar

from west up settled in west delhi

I think khatris are concentrated mostly in west delhi if I am not Wrong

Anonymous

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IG5lr3

No.105785

>>105774

Sm*

Every caste has good and bad looking ppl

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105786

>>105783

Yes mostly west delhi, but in other parts as well, i think northern delhi is mostly inhabited by jaats followed by brahmans due to close proximity to Haryana

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105791

>>105786

are you from west delhi too

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105795

>>105791

Nope, but I know about delhi's demographics

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105805

>>105777

nowadays aroras call themselves khatria and intermarry with khatris.

I know that aroras were originally baniyas from sindh and khatris were originally kshatriyas from hindu shahi kingdom of gandhara region.

kshetra = khet (punjabi/haryanvi)

kshatriya = khatri (punjabi/haryanvi)

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105809

>>105805

yep spot on

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105815

>>105805

>nowadays aroras call themselves khatria and intermarry with khatris.

I know that aroras were originally baniyas from sindh and khatris were originally kshatriyas from hindu shahi kingdom of gandhara region.

kshetra = khet (punjabi/haryanvi)

kshatriya = khatri (punjabi/haryanvi)

>>105805

last hindu shahi was jaipal khatana

khatana is a very big clan of gujjars

khatri and gujjars are closely related too as they both are the closest to Gandhara grave culture

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105816

>>105712

Kek. Best wrestlers in the world are mongols.

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105827

>>105816

they are pretty good but not the best

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105830

>>105816

not true, iran , usa and Russia mog in Olympics wrestling

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105831

>>105815

hindu shahi rulers were Brahmins, their ministers were Brahmins and Khatris.

I don't know where gujjars come into this equation.

Gurhara-Pratihara kingdom of India got split up into multiple clans in India, some clans were assimilated in Rajput fold and some clans remained separated and mixed Van gujjars and other shepherd castes with them and composed the modern gujjar caste.

Carryminati is a direct descendant of Gurjara-Pratiharas.

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105833

>>105805

Khatris were kshatriyas? Any source? Many non warrior castes claim to be descended from kshatriyas but those claims are unsubstantiated.

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105835

>>105831

>shahi rulers were Brahmins, their ministers were Brahmins and Khatris.

I don't know where gujjars come into this equation.

Gurhara-Pratihara kingdom of India got split up into multiple clans in India, some clans were assimilated in Rajput fold and some clans remained separated and mixed Van gujjars and other shepherd castes with them and composed the modern gujjar caste.

Carryminati is a direct descendant of Gurjara-Pratiharas.

nah I disagree

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105837

>>105830

Talk in per capita terms nigha. Mongolia just has a pop. of 3million. Also any chinese wrestling champions are ethnic mongols.

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105838

>>105833

only dhai-ghar khatris.

later arora mixed clans were attributed vaishya status by the brahmins of north-west

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105842

>>105833

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhai_Ghar#:~:text=The%20Khatris%20were%20divided%20into%20sub%2Dcastes.%20The%20highest%20was%20the%20Dhai%20ghar%20(i.e%20Two%20and%20a%20half%20houses%20%E2%80%93%20the%20number%20three%20being%20considered%20unlucky)%20grouping%2C%20comprising%20families%20carrying%20the%20surnames%20of%20Malhotra%2C%20Khanna%20and%20Kapur/Kapoor

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105843

>>105833

no their claims are valid in many cases , there was a mathurai lodhi anon here whose community held kshatriya status earlier, but somewhere in mediveal century they lost it

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105847

>>105835

?

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105850

>>105837

Per capita logic is flawed, by using per capita logic, Ireland comes out to be the best Mma country

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105854

>>105847

gujjars weren't there in Hindu shahi kingdom. They originated from the gurjara-pratihara alchon-huns central asian tribes.

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105857

>>105847

alchon-huns ancetry is high among Rajputs of rajasthan and gujjars.

Jats on other hand originated from sakas (scythians) of central asia.

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.105859

Gurjars are bhenschor isse jyada kuch nahi

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105861

>>105831

Isnt gujjar just an umbrella term for various unrelated herding communities? There are gujjars in JK who are genetically and linguistically different from gujjars of mainland india.

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105862

>>105847

jaipal khatana the last hindu shahi was a gujjar because he had khatana as his surname and there are no khatana brahmins

To this day there are khatana and Awana gujjars in Afghanistan you can look it up

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105868

>>105850

I am talking about olympics. Mongols are also no.1 in sumo wrestling.

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105871

>>105861

no all gujjars score same from all regions minor differences are there you can look it up on reddit but rajputs score drastically different form region to region

Anonymous

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ksy0D4

No.105875

>>105857

Dehatio ne firse caste nogery chalu kardi. You will always be a poojeet

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105876

>>105857

wtf is archon hun ancestry you don't know bs

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105877

>>105861

yes those are the herder ones. Even Gujjars in west UP consist of many herding (originally) gotras which mixed heavily with descendants of Gurjara-Pratiharas in medieval times.

Same case as yadavs.

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105879

>>105876

alchon huns did not mix with gujjars they were just allied

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105881

>>105876

alchon huns are the ancestors of rajputs. Its a well know fact accepted by everyone.

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105883

>>105879

some clans of Gujjars descend from Alchon-Huns, the same alchon-huns were ancestors of Rajputs of rajasthan

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105884

>>105854

Even Gujarat and Gujaranwala in pakistan is named after gujars iirc

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105885

>>105877

nah

gujjars are among the least scoring people there you can check while brahmins score aasi in 40s

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105886

>>105875

ignoer this thread dalit

Anonymous

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ksy0D4

No.105888

>>105881

Rajputs are descended from shudras

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105889

>>105881

haha

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105890

>>105883

what about thakurs and rajputs of Up and bihar??

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105892

>>105885

alchon huns weren't AASI. They are central asians.

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105893

>>105881

Its far from a 'fact'. No evidence just a hypothesis.

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105894

>>105857

All 3 belong to indo aryan tribes paternally

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105895

>>105890

they score very high aasi and different from other rajputs

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.105896

Abe yar gurjar are just bhenschor low caste charwahe shudras literally garadiya tier caste

Anonymous

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/u6z37

No.105897

R1a frequency is highest among bamans

Its the trve test of aryanness

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105898

>>105862

I see

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105899

>>105888

nope, rajputs descended from rigvedic mlechhas of central asia. Their position in varna heirarchy was improved by brahmins after they conquered large parts of northern India and mass converted to Hinduism.

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105900

>>105868

hmm

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105902

>>105892

jats are Scythians

gujjars are tocharians

rajputs are a mix of different tribes

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105905

>>105899

rajput term came after 12 century

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105906

>>105902

Rajputs claim descent from vedic kshatriyas

many rajputs also claim mahavir and buddha to be rajputs

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105907

>>105890

they patrilineally descend from the same people.

Their ancestors married more native women in comparison to Rajputs of Sindh/jammu/Rajasthan. They have a very strong gotra system like Jats which preserves their patrilineage.

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105908

>>105907

I see

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105909

>>105895

You are talking about autosomal ancestry, in autosomal ancestry even south indian brahmins score different but ydna ancestry is similar

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105911

>>105906

nah they are just bull shitting

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105914

>>105877

There is a lot of confusion and lack of consensus on relationship between gujjar caste and gurjara pratiharas. Gurjaradesa was the older name of gujarat where gujjars arent found. So it is possible that 'gurjara' in 'gurjara pratihara' has a regional or geographical connotation and is unrelated to gujjar caste.

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105915

>>105902

>tocharians

They never conquered India, their paternal haplogroubs awere R1b and C2a. Maybe some alchon-huns tribes raped/stole their women in between their way to India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharians#Haplogroups:~:text=Tocharians%20had%20haplogroup%20R1b%20and%20C2a

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105916

>>105909

you know nothing about genetics

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105917

>>105907

what's different between yadavs, ahirs and goalas?

can anyone please explain

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105918

>>105916

Why do you think so?

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105920

>>105905

i agree, the earliest rajput kingdom was created by pratiharas in Rajasthan who called themselves chamanas (later chauhanas)

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105923

>>105906

Buddha and Mahavir belonged to OG aryan tribes of vedic era. Nowadays their descended have degraded to shudra status and are mixed heavily with natives and observe minimal hinu rituals.

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105924

>>105907

No evidence whatsoever. Rajputs are likely just the nobility of their respective regions who started claiming kshatriya status.

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105925

>>105915

your entire research is based on haplogroups which do matter but not very much

Kushans were tocharians who had r1a paternal haplogroups

also tocharians had many indo aryans haplogroups

kushan - Kushana- kasana also a very prominent gotra in gujjars

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105926

>>105914

brahmins aren't found in afghanistan and gandhara yet they were rulers of Hindu Shahi.

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105929

>>105926

that's what I am saying

you can look it up gujjars khatris arains are closest to gandhar grave culture

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105930

>>105925

>kushan - Kushana- kasana.

Using phonetic similarities as evidence is really retarded tbh. Reminds me of that retard PN Oak.

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105931

>>105917

different clans who were never a single caste until british forced them to race-mix by merging them into a single caste because according to christianity and all abrahimic religions everyone is equal in the kingdom of god.

Even today Yadavs of Haryana (Ahir) don't marry with gwalas of UP Bihar.

Anonymous

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c8ty4o

No.105932

>>105917

All are bhangi chamaar mutts not worth discussing

Anonymous

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a10nDD

No.105933

>91 replies

Holyyy caste scientists are back reeee

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105934

>>105924

thats what I said here >>105899

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105936

>>105931

ony harayana ahir are OG

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.105938

>>105936

Haryana ahirs are more jhantu than bihari ahirs

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105940

>>105925

Kushanas splitted into different tribes of different castes (shudras because Buddhists). The Mathuria Lodhi guy was probably a descendant of Kushanas beacuse Mathura was the capital of Kushanas.

No rajputs descended from kushanas beacsue they followed buddhism.

I guess there might be some gotras of gujjars, rors and other shudras from that region who descended from Kushanas as well but they mixed with other castes heavily beacuse they didn't observed Hindu rules like other "upper" castes who never converted to buddhism.

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105941

>>105926

But gujarat was known as gurjaradesa even before the rise of pratiharas. So it is kind of retarded to assume gurjar in gurjar pratihara is a caste identifier. It could very well be just a geographical descriptor.

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105945

>>105938

central UP ahir Yadavs look best among all ahirs.

Punjab-Haryan Ahirs look a bit ugly due to lack of sharp facial features maybe beacuse they were mixing with other lower caste tribes from that region and sindh.

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105946

>>105941

rajputs use this same reason but are not able to prove many things they say

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105948

>>105941

I agree with this.

We shouldn't mix geographical terms-castes-gotras. These 3 things are seperate among non-brahmin castes.

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105949

>>105940

gujjars and jats are not shudra

they do farming doesn't mean they are shudras

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.105950

>>105945

No ahirs look best sale retard

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105953

>>105949

they are shudras like kambojs who were aryans in pre vedic period but degraded to mlechhas status due to non-observance of rituals.

Some traditional brahmins even consider Khatris as shudras due to their varna-sankara (caste mixing) with aroras.

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.105954

>>105949

Gurjars are not farmers ullu ke patthe they are pastoralists like garadiya

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105956

>>105950

I have seen some very pathan looking ahirs in central UP

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105957

>>105954

gujjars do both things. you are probably talking about a specific region probably NCR.

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.105958

>>105956

Han to unki daadi master angrej ke saath soti hogi azadi se pehle isliye

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105959

>>105954

gadariya are in no way shape or form related to gujjars

this can be proven wring genetically

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105960

>>105924

The biggest meme is there are fucking manipuri and chinki pahadi rajputs and chinki nepali dynasties claiming descent from chittor. Its all just unrelated nobility of various regions who started claiming rajput/kshatriyahood, wearing sacred thread and inventing genealogies. Rajputs of og rajputana(rajasthan) themselves dont consider those people as rajputs. Was common back in the day to invent fancy ancestry to legitimize your rule.

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105961

>>105958

I don't know, maybe they mixed with the women of some defeated pathans in that region.

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105962

>>105959

gadariya is a seperate caste in UP

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105963

>>105953

you are right

but in vedic period brahmin were indo aryans but brahmin was a occupational term

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105964

>>105960

only these are certified rajputs, rest are just 'we wuzzers'

https://www.indianrajputs.com/history/

official website of rajputs

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105965

>>105963

i agree

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.105966

>>105957

>>105959

Ab karne lage hein gurjar hamesha non fertile land own karte the udhar bakri bhed charate the like their brothers garadiya

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105967

>>105946

Just like gujjars arent able to prove their claims. Personally i am neither a raju, jhant or goojar. I am just a history enthusiast. As an outsider to these caste wars all i see is three camps yapping all day about their glorious origins but dont have any evidence whatsoever.

Anonymous

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IIkMyu

No.105969

>>105923

>shudra status

Which communities?

>aryan tribes of vedic era

are their desecdants still in India

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105970

>>105964

this website consists Rajputs clans from paskitan as well.

see Bhatis from whom Bhutto descends

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.105971

>>105962

Mp rajasthan m bhi hote hein be

Anonymous

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bS4SBU

No.105973

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105974

>>105964

>certified rajputs.

Rajputs outside rajasthan arent og rajputs. They rajputized later as recently as during the british raj. Noble/zamindar/landowning class existed in every village but they fabricated geneaologies to claim kshatriya/rajput status by linking themselves to ram krishna or other legendary kings. Today they might be recognized as rajputs but all their fancy claims they yap about are unsubstantiated.

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.105976

>>105963

>>105965

A proto form always existed in the form of PUROHITS.

Rigved 6.1.1

Here hotā is a priest who invokes deities.

It's equivalent zaotar is found in Iranic traditions implying same thing.

Rigved 1.1.1

Here agni is Purohit.

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105977

>>105967

ok I will not kang anymore

its just that I have researched a lot on these things.

all caste/tribes have glorious histories.

fun fact : aryans were indigenous to india in next ten years this will be proven meaning oldest r1a sample will be found in india .BOOKMARK THIS

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.105979

Vithavya was a descendant of Angiras. The dynasties of Panchala, Kuru, Kashi, and notable figures like Mitra, Kanva, Mudgal, Rajisvan, Kakshivana, and Rathitara are all associated with the Bharadvaja lineage, as referenced in ancient Brahmans texts and the Vedas.

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105980

>>105970

I am a bhati gujjar haha

6'4 BTW

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105982

>>105969

>Which communities?

can trace exactly beacuse nobody kept their lineage records like Brahmins maintain theirs along with other upper castes of hindus at Haridwar, Peohwa, Varanasi etc places

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_genealogy_registers_at_Haridwar

Thats how modern Rors lost track of their claims to ancient kingdoms despite the fact that some Rors clans (turans, Kainwals, mehla etc) have the highest (even higher than pathans) steppe ancestry in south asia, they only score below Lithuanians in andronovo ancestry.

https://www.instagram.com/rorkshatriya/reel/C8sV4DNAdic/

https://www.instagram.com/p/C_riB_FA4di/

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105983

>>105980

thats what i talked about here >>105831

and here >>105835

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.105985

>>105977

That is impossible tbh...IVC being Sanskrit via Iranian homeland is more probable (if you wish to pursue) , OIT is just straight away impossible

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105987

>>105982

speaking of gujjars

there 's a pandit who comes every year to our house and has a record of our gotra's history and

name of my ancestors .

all history of every gujjar gotra is kept by a pandit.

He narrates it like a song .

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.105989

>>105982

Kitna yap karega bhai? You have no evidence whatsoever of your fancy claims. Keep assuming and inventing stuff. No educated person has got time to take your unfalsifiable claims seriously.

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.105996

>>105974

some of them are legitimate rajputs who migrated from rajasthan to establish kingdom in those places.

Even the original Rajputs of Rajasthan consider them legit. Their list is provided in the site I posted above.

The gunda politicians of UP like Brijesh Singh, Dhananjay Singh (married a Reddy) and Brijbhushan Singh (the olympian rapist) are original Rajputs who have familial ties in Rajsthan dating back to 400-500 years.

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.105998

>>105976

>>105979

6-3-7 (Mandalas)

6.1.1

त्वं ह्यग्ने प्रथमो मनोतास्या धियो अभवो दस्म "होता" । त्वं सीं वृषन्नकृणोर्दुष्टरीतु सहो विश्वस्मै सहसे सहध्यै ॥

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.105999

>>105985

every science,philosphy,culture cam from the banks of ganga voltaire quoted this nonetheless this will all be proven eventually once our economy grows and government starts investing in this like archeology history and other things.

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106001

>>105999

you are talking about a later period, both of these are way off and do not match the timing of either immigration or emmigration, not worth discussing

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.106002

>>105987

this is a rarity even among gujjars. onlyt some villages have this feature afaik.

>>105989

you are a caste/genetics/history denier. I can't convince you beacuse you are a cryptochristian aka Hindutva guy. Or worse a liberal.

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.106003

>>105987

Those are bhats. They were paid by their patrons to glorify their patrons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bh%C4%81ts

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106004

>>106002

he might be a periyarist who likes labeling everyone in the subcon as the same

Anonymous

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X1hBX0

No.106007

Can you tell me anything if I say I am shandilya gotra honorable caste scientists

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106008

>>106004

I am not periyaristfag and I am pro hindu(not like the cringe ones though)

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.106009

>>106008

he is not talking about you yaara

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106010

>>106008

I am not talking about you, I am talking about the other guy

anyway oral traditions have been a key way of preserving history in india, before mauryan era even The vedas very recited and memorized orally, writing wasn't a major part of early hinduism

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.106011

>>105996

No evidence whatsoever. Late claims to koi bhi kar sakta hai. Ye medieval dark ages nahi hai jahan kuch bhi claim karlo aur bholi bhali janta maan legi. Har ek claim ka contemporary evidence manga jayega.

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.106013

>>105976

>>105979

>>105998

thats mostly mythology and ritual stuff though. But yeah Purohit clans and geanological record keepers existed since ancient times.

Anonymous

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X1hBX0

No.106014

>>106007

Plz tell saar

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.106015

>>106011

bro many rajputs clans legit ruled in UP, Madhya Pradesh and other regions.

Its all recorded histor and is a part of NCERT as well.

Prithviraj "Chauhan" ruled Delhi yaar.

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106017

>>106007

you are descended from Shandilya rishi

Anonymous

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SpjfxI

No.106018

>>106002

>>106004

I am neither of those. I am just an atheist who recognizes that high iq humans/elites invent myths and legends for political purposes and controlling the masses. Its nothing special.

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106020

>>106013

>>106013

Rigveda isn't mythology

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106023

>>106018

Cool

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.106024

>>106014

I had a classmate whose surname was shandilya, he looked abbo af despite the fact he was from Ghaziabad.

Shandilyas afaik are a sub-gotra of kanyajubja brahmins. Kanyakubja brahmins were considered the highest gotra of brahmins during the period when Islamic invasions just started in central India.

Fun fact: One sub-gotra of Kanjyakubja brahmins eats meat as well (kali worship) and they freely marry with other gotras of Brahmins.

Anonymous

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X1hBX0

No.106025

>>106024

>other gotras

Nigà you literally don't marry in the same gotras

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.106026

>>106020

its partly history and partly mythology.

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.106027

>>106025

generally the vaishanavite gotras of north india will NEVER marry with a meat eating gotra of kanyakubja or bengali and other coastal brahmins.

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106028

>>106024

Kanyakubja, saryuparin are just classifications based on where these people resided

Shandilya is descended from one of the sapta rishi Kashyap

Shandilya had made contributions in yoga sahityas iirc, he also had a vaidyalya

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106029

>>106024

>sub gotras

that's a wrong word I think, also even this sub gotra of kanyakubja thing is debated

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106030

kushans were indians they were shown out of india during a battle

Then the Went upwards to Tarim basin controlling the silk route defeating everyone from mongols to greeks

they were indian can be proven very easily because they spoke prakrit.

They then re-conquered india and assimilated peacefully cause they knew everything from our culture and language .

Kushan descended form kush(son of shri rama).

the mummies found in Tarim basin today are all caucasians feature which also tells how ancient Indians looked.

they were thrown out of kashi where they ruled and when the went to Tarim basin they named the place kashghar which is still to this day is called kashghar

-ignore typos

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.106033

>>106018

united we rule, divided we fall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OfV16_xngQ[embed]

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.106035

>>106029

its called up-gotras

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106037

>>106030

Indian would be wrong word, you could say Indo aryans, also weren't they Zoroastrians? Vedic hinduism and Zoroastrianism are almost sister religions

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.106039

>>105980

Stop the larp lode no gurjar is taller than 5"11

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.106042

>>106039

fuckoff from here

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106043

>>106037

they were devout shaivites(depicted on their coins)

but they very also very tolerant towards other religions especially buddhism cause lord buddha knew the Kushans and also send his disciples to kushan kings to convey his message(there are letters available which are preserved to this say)

lord buddha has mentioned kushans in his letters to them(which are available online) as the descendants of kush (son of Shri ram).

Anonymous

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iHNuwM

No.106054

>>106028

maybe you are right, there is a lot of casteism among brahmins as well

watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTAravAsmaw[embed]

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106055

>>106039

gujjars and khatris are mogging whole afghanistan you are talking about India. Kek

Pajaat saab

ROJR

+sGmQ0

No.106063

>>105710(OP)

>haryana caste dynamics guide

I guess being jay is cool online ,after elviss bai and faggot dalal it has become cool to become desi and shit.

As per ur queschan,rajpoots (not regular just caste bhangis) have beef with jat coz they consider themselves superior but have no say in haryana and their counterparts (rangarhars) all have left for pakistan.

Yadav fight jats coz again they consider better an d have large pop in few districts.

Khatris are hated bcz they r rich and doing good but r not native.

Baman hate is universal all castes spacegoat brahmins coz of inferiority complex and they think how can this poor chap be above me in caste system

In my area we have tyagis and they seem to be chillest among all

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106064

>>106054

that is mostly due to dietary preferences and ideological differences, nothing more

Infact dietary preferences is the main reason

Duck

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b/ivqT

No.106067

>>106063

So in short, who wins?

Anonymous

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ZHgOzg

No.106068

>>106055

>1965

Alot of time has passed now

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.106071

>>106055

Ye ms excel se banake laya hai kya 😭😭😂 sale chutiye

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.106072

>>106063

Kaha se hai tu ?

Pajaat saab

ROJR

+sGmQ0

No.106073

>>106067

Jiske paas economic or political power

Pajaat saab

!d1cxXrYORTp/HKr

ROJR

+sGmQ0

No.106075

>>106072

Panipat

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106077

>>106043

I can't find any evidence of them being devout shavites, they were religiously tolerant as seen by them accepting budhism as well, but their are high chances of them being Zoroastrians early on due to their iranian descent

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106079

>>106068

wdym by time height decreases

gujjars top every list when it comes to height in the subcontinent look up records of brits.

gujjars have lowest nasal index.(how long and narrow nose)

gujjars have 100% light skin allele even after being low steppe (highest zagros though)

gujjrs have highest lactose tolerance allele in the subcontinent

gujjars have highest west eurasian mtdna and least southasian mtdna (mtdna M)

I didn't want to day these things sorry

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106081

>>106026

the hymns are mythological, just to please the deities everything else is not mythological

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106082

>>106079

all sources can be provided if you want

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106084

>>106071

this research was done by Soviet Union pls read before saying something

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.106085

>>106079

>gujjrs have highest lactose tolerance allele in the subcontinent

Waah madarchod

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106086

>>106035

Upjaati is the word

gotra is a different thing

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106088

>>106077

have you researched ?? see their coins pllsssss.

I'll send you a well researched video your whole pov will change wait.the video has stated all the sources by respectable historians.

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106090

>>106088

they had hindu inscriptions too yes but that was not universal

other inscriptions were also there

Zoroastrian: Mithra, Ahura Mazda, Atar

Greek: Helios, Herakles, Selene

Indian: Shiva, Buddha, Skanda-Kumāra

Buddhist depictions: Kanishka I issued coins with "BODDO" (Buddha) in Greek letters.

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106091

>>106090

this can be attributed to their religous tolerance

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.106092

>>106084

>this research was done by Soviet Union pls read before saying something

Meme

Sale khud se excel sheet banake soviet union ki source bata raha

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106094

>>106090

their most early coins depict them as shaivites

buddha and other religion coins and inscriptions came later

this has also be proven by time period of coins.

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106095

>>106092

>>106085

>>106084

>>106082

>>106079

>>106055

height is not universal, its mostly got to with diet mostly

btw some aasi skeletons were found they were all on average 178-180 cm tall

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106098

>>106092

bhai mai excel nahi chalata na mujhe aata

ye Soviet Union ka hi survey

Anonymous

IN

0DX0jN

No.106102

>>106085>>106085

should I send the research paper.

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106103

>>106095

talking about the average

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106104

>>106094

Kujula Kadphises coins imitate Indo-Greek and Roman motifs, Herakles and Nike...

Vima Kadphises also used Iranian symbols such as the fire altar... from Zoroastrian influence.

Shaivism was present, but not exclusive or dominant in early coinage.

Coins with Buddha and Shaivite deities are both dated to the 2nd century CE.

better assumption would be that coins were a political tool appealing to different populations Bactrian, Indo scythian, Indian, Central Asian.

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106105

>>106103

Their are other variables as well... anyway sample size of gujjar in this list is quite low compared to some of the other communities, it could also mean selective bias

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106107

>>106024

>my classmate

anecdotes are also a logical fallacy

Anonymous

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Xwad32

No.106109

>>106102

What are you trying to proof here lil bro gurjars ain't martial race accept kar

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106110

>>106109

height doesn't have anything to with being a martial race

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106111

>>106109

haha

Anonymous

IN

0DX0jN

No.106112

>>106110

he's just a rage baiter

ignore him

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106114

>>106104

kujula kadphises is a greek name then why his son was named Kanishk

the reality is that kujula k was used by greeks for a indian king his real name was in Sanskrit/prakrit .

Anonymous

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c8ty4o

No.106123

>>106102

>Saar we wuz white saaar we wuz aryan kangz

>Wat saar should I post proof???

>Look at this retarded excel sheet saar this just proves that we gujjars are not obc subhumans but ancient master race who kanged ovar this shithole subcontinent.

>No we wuz no decedent of shudra tier agricultural bhangis

>Our nignog hordes can drink milk saar this is an achievement for super pooper kanger caste.

Kys

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106126

>>106114

No you misunderstands both linguistic adaptation and historical context. Kujula Kadphise not a Greek name it is a transliteration of a Central Asian or Indo iranian name into the Greek script, which was used in Bactria for administrative and coinage purposes due to earlier Hellenistic influence. The Kushans, originally of Yuezhi (Tocharian or Indo iranian) origin adopted Greek script for prestige and communication and not because they were Greek. His son or successor being named Kanishka which is a..clearly Indo Iranian name, is fully consistent with their hybrid cultural identity....Moreover, coins and inscriptions often show the same name in multiple scripts Greek, Kharosthi, Brahmi, each adapting the pronunciation to its phonetic system.

Anonymous

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elim0n

No.106129

Oh looks like we hit the bump limit

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106130

>>106123

hahah kek

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106135

>>106126

your are right

another thing indo greeks, huns , kushans all lived together in afghanistan .

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106140

>>106138

this was my first replying here otherwise I was just a lurker here.

Anonymous

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0DX0jN

No.106151

>>106143

I read a lot mostly from books, twitter and some other online boards.